John Simpson
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Description: | Interview on the life and work of the mathematician John Simpson, including his war experience in China. Filmed by Alan Macfarlane and Xiaoxiao Yan on 29 April 2004 at his home and edited by Sarah Harrison. Generously supported by the Leverhulme Trust. |
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Created: | 2011-04-13 12:27 | ||||||
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Collection: | Film Interviews with Leading Thinkers | ||||||
Publisher: | University of Cambridge | ||||||
Copyright: | Professor Alan Macfarlane | ||||||
Language: | eng (English) | ||||||
Keywords: | Cambridge; China; mathematics; | ||||||
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Went to China in about 1940 [1944-46]; the only way of dating is was that the Burma Road had been broken by the Japanese at that time; I was a conscientious objector and joined the Quaker Friends Ambulance Unit, an exciting unit to be involved in because it went all over the world; I had always been interested in China and it seemed a wonderful chance to get somewhere that wasn't directly involved in our war; the Chinese war was not something that was discussed much in England; before the War I did collect quite a lot of books on China and Tibet; I learned by heart the staging posts on the route to Lhasa, for instance; before going to China I had only been to France; before leaving for China I had already been teaching mathematics for five years at Clayesmoor School; the China ambulance group was rather select and a difficult one to get into which made me all the more keen to do it; when it was decided that I was going to China there was a great deal of training to be done, including learning the language; training covered about six months; I learned Chinese in language schools in London, practised on the boat on the way there, but like any other language studies, it didn't really start until I got there; I was learning to speak Chinese but I was quite keen on the written language as well; I used to say that it was so I could write down the names of Chinese food that I liked; there was not much Chinese food to be found in England, but there was one Chinese restaurant in Cambridge before the War; I seem to remember it was somewhere near the Round Church
5:31:07 We went by boat to Bombay then went by train to Calcutta; then we flew from Calcutta across the Hump, as it was called, the Himalayas, in a DC3; it was a Chinese National Aviation plane which was actually ; we landed at Kunming in Yunnan; I remember flying out of the clouds and seeing people with blue clothes working in the fields; Kunming was then a small town; there was a railway line from the south and then east; I don't remember any cars at all though it had electricity; the people that I stayed with to start with were European - "Stamp" Smith ran the Post Office; my main impression was of poverty - a feeling of going back to the Middle Ages; it was not very clean but crowded - Chinese towns always seemed to be crowded; they were curious and if you stopped a stood somewhere a crowd would gather round you; they were quite friendly but always there, partly because it was unusual to see a foreigner around in those days; one didn't see very much of the women at all; I can't remember them having bound feet at the time; we were conscious of the ethnic peoples - the Miao and the Lolo - who wore different clothes from the rest; the tribal women wore colourful skirts (unlike the non-tribals) and they came in for the markets
10:01:19 Was in Kunming for two or three weeks in transit, then moved on the Chuching [Qujing] which was about 50-60km to the east on the extension of the Burma Road; this was the headquarters of the Friends; by that time they had given up trying to do military hospital work; they found that what they could best do was help build up the transport system; at Chuching we had about twenty trucks which we serviced and worked on; the Chinese were very clever at working on trucks and were doing impossible things all the time with hammers and screwdrivers and not much else at all; there was a base hospital in Chuching for the military; I suspect the corpses we saw were of sick people from the countryside as there was no actual fighting within 20-30 miles; the lorries were used to carry medical supplies which were flown in from England to Kunming; these were then transported by lorry to Chungking [Chongqing] and to little hospitals run by missionaries; remember taking supplies to some German missionaries west of Chungking; the liberation by Mao's army was only just beginning to take shape while I was there; I was in China for about three or four years; I had been to Chungking three or four times by truck - it took about a month; you could only travel during the day and you tended to stop on the way when the roads were disrupted by landslides; early summer was probably the best time to travel
15:37:23 I can't say that I enjoyed the work, though I found it stimulating and exciting and felt it was worth doing; you wanted to get the truck through because it was carrying something valuable; we had a $1,000,000 worth of materials on one trip; that was the time I was attacked by bandits; I was driving up a mountain pass and the bandits ran across the skyline firing guns at me; eventually they hit the truck and I stopped; I wondered what I could do, and decided there was nothing; I took my wristwatch off and hid it under the seat and waited for them to come; one of the others on the truck had a large red beard; he poked his head out of the window and shouted and the bandits ran away; we were rescued then my someone who towed our truck in; the bandits were generally local people who had managed to get hold of guns, so probably desperate themselves; I did make one or two Chinese friends who were working with the unit; all the workers in my depot were Chinese - there were about fifty people; I had a rather formal attitude with them as I was the boss; don't think there were any Chinese there with whom I could really make friends; we did get to know a few educated Chinese; I remember going to a dinner held by Chinese officials in Chuching and there were quite a lot of intelligent, educated, Chinese there; I never went into a Chinese house socially, nor did I wear Chinese clothes; we did occasionally go into houses on the road when there were accidents, but that was to help them, even doing operations on them sometimes
21:06:10 I never got to know any women except those who were westernized; there were a number of Western women but others were of Chinese origin who had come from the West; I never spoke to any ordinary Chinese women; at that time I was writing to my future wife and were able to exchange photographs; I was aware of opium use as one or two of the staff that worked in my garage were addicts; I certainly did not see any opium dens; did not see much violence; the Chinese used to shout a lot and wave their arms around but they didn't actually hit each other very much; the only violence that I got involved in was with those that had guns; I was not conscious of a problem of prostitution
24:48:15 China must have changed my life though I can't really answer how; the Chinese became real people in my mind; I did go back years afterwards, but I would have liked to have gone back to Chuching which I couldn't manage to do; it was very difficult to go to China in the 1980s; in our department, the professors went there first and then ordinary people like me went later on; the Royal Society paid for my visit with my wife; we went to a lot of cities including Beijing, Shanghai and Tianjin, but never got back to Yunnan as it was not convenient or possible; it would be nice to land in Chengdu tomorrow; my overall feeling about my China experience is that I would not have missed it for anything.
5:31:07 We went by boat to Bombay then went by train to Calcutta; then we flew from Calcutta across the Hump, as it was called, the Himalayas, in a DC3; it was a Chinese National Aviation plane which was actually ; we landed at Kunming in Yunnan; I remember flying out of the clouds and seeing people with blue clothes working in the fields; Kunming was then a small town; there was a railway line from the south and then east; I don't remember any cars at all though it had electricity; the people that I stayed with to start with were European - "Stamp" Smith ran the Post Office; my main impression was of poverty - a feeling of going back to the Middle Ages; it was not very clean but crowded - Chinese towns always seemed to be crowded; they were curious and if you stopped a stood somewhere a crowd would gather round you; they were quite friendly but always there, partly because it was unusual to see a foreigner around in those days; one didn't see very much of the women at all; I can't remember them having bound feet at the time; we were conscious of the ethnic peoples - the Miao and the Lolo - who wore different clothes from the rest; the tribal women wore colourful skirts (unlike the non-tribals) and they came in for the markets
10:01:19 Was in Kunming for two or three weeks in transit, then moved on the Chuching [Qujing] which was about 50-60km to the east on the extension of the Burma Road; this was the headquarters of the Friends; by that time they had given up trying to do military hospital work; they found that what they could best do was help build up the transport system; at Chuching we had about twenty trucks which we serviced and worked on; the Chinese were very clever at working on trucks and were doing impossible things all the time with hammers and screwdrivers and not much else at all; there was a base hospital in Chuching for the military; I suspect the corpses we saw were of sick people from the countryside as there was no actual fighting within 20-30 miles; the lorries were used to carry medical supplies which were flown in from England to Kunming; these were then transported by lorry to Chungking [Chongqing] and to little hospitals run by missionaries; remember taking supplies to some German missionaries west of Chungking; the liberation by Mao's army was only just beginning to take shape while I was there; I was in China for about three or four years; I had been to Chungking three or four times by truck - it took about a month; you could only travel during the day and you tended to stop on the way when the roads were disrupted by landslides; early summer was probably the best time to travel
15:37:23 I can't say that I enjoyed the work, though I found it stimulating and exciting and felt it was worth doing; you wanted to get the truck through because it was carrying something valuable; we had a $1,000,000 worth of materials on one trip; that was the time I was attacked by bandits; I was driving up a mountain pass and the bandits ran across the skyline firing guns at me; eventually they hit the truck and I stopped; I wondered what I could do, and decided there was nothing; I took my wristwatch off and hid it under the seat and waited for them to come; one of the others on the truck had a large red beard; he poked his head out of the window and shouted and the bandits ran away; we were rescued then my someone who towed our truck in; the bandits were generally local people who had managed to get hold of guns, so probably desperate themselves; I did make one or two Chinese friends who were working with the unit; all the workers in my depot were Chinese - there were about fifty people; I had a rather formal attitude with them as I was the boss; don't think there were any Chinese there with whom I could really make friends; we did get to know a few educated Chinese; I remember going to a dinner held by Chinese officials in Chuching and there were quite a lot of intelligent, educated, Chinese there; I never went into a Chinese house socially, nor did I wear Chinese clothes; we did occasionally go into houses on the road when there were accidents, but that was to help them, even doing operations on them sometimes
21:06:10 I never got to know any women except those who were westernized; there were a number of Western women but others were of Chinese origin who had come from the West; I never spoke to any ordinary Chinese women; at that time I was writing to my future wife and were able to exchange photographs; I was aware of opium use as one or two of the staff that worked in my garage were addicts; I certainly did not see any opium dens; did not see much violence; the Chinese used to shout a lot and wave their arms around but they didn't actually hit each other very much; the only violence that I got involved in was with those that had guns; I was not conscious of a problem of prostitution
24:48:15 China must have changed my life though I can't really answer how; the Chinese became real people in my mind; I did go back years afterwards, but I would have liked to have gone back to Chuching which I couldn't manage to do; it was very difficult to go to China in the 1980s; in our department, the professors went there first and then ordinary people like me went later on; the Royal Society paid for my visit with my wife; we went to a lot of cities including Beijing, Shanghai and Tianjin, but never got back to Yunnan as it was not convenient or possible; it would be nice to land in Chengdu tomorrow; my overall feeling about my China experience is that I would not have missed it for anything.
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