Peter Avery
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Description: | Interview on the life and work of the historian and expert on Persia, Peter Avery of Cambridge. Interviewed on 8th June 2008 by Alan Macfarlane and edited by Sarah Harrison. This is the first hour of an interview which was interrupted by Peter Avery's death in October 2008. Generously supported by the Leverhulme Trust. |
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Created: | 2011-03-08 11:44 | ||||||
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Film Interviews with Leading Thinkers
Interviews of people associated with King's College, Cambridge |
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Publisher: | University of Cambridge | ||||||
Copyright: | Professor Alan Macfarlane | ||||||
Language: | eng (English) | ||||||
Keywords: | Persia; Peter Avery; King's; Cambridge; history; | ||||||
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Transcript:
0:09:07 Arrived at King's January 1958 and Noel Annan was Provost; Gabriel Horn became a Fellow about the same time; Noel Annan was a good Provost and it was a good introduction for me to a King's which has now, alas, faded; remember after the memorial service for Dadie (George) Rylands that Noel Annan said it was the end of the King's that we had known and loved; Annan himself died a few months later; I was an undergraduate at Liverpool University and then went to S.O.A.S. in 1946, but King's was the College to which I was most attached; I had a number of friends here, including Dadie Rylands and Noel Annan; when I arrived in Cambridge as a lecturer it was a delight that within about twenty-four hours I was invited to meet with Annan who asked me if I would like to become a member of King's; it was not in his hands but with the Vice-Provost, John Saltmarsh; received a letter subsequently informing me that I was now a member of the College; some years later the University decided to encourage Colleges to give lecturers fellowships and I became a Fellow in 1964; Max Walters and I were chosen at the same time, largely through the agency of Dadie, Christopher Morris and Tim Munby, friends of mine; now the College lacks the leavening of older and devoted senior Fellows who understood the conventions and traditions of the College and drove it as a community; Gabriel and Dan Brown were my contemporaries; Jasper Rose was important to me as he had been encouraged to befriend me by Noel Annan; an example of the communal spirit and kindness of the College then; we started a conversation walking across to my Faculty room which is still going on by letter; at first we were talking so loudly in my room that the archaeologist who had the next room, thought we were having a terrible row; he and Jean, his wife, became very important elements in my life; early on Michael Jaffe was also good to me; he came to my lodging and we drank pot after pot of tea while we talked; this was the almost cosy King's I first knew, with high intellectual and cultural standards, a wonderful community to belong to; I now find it difficult to cope with an increasingly bureaucratic college weighed down by too large a fellowship, many of whom just regard it as a postal address and a place to have lunch whereas we regarded it as home; some, like Michael Jaffe, lived in College; Donald Beves was good to me when I first became a member; at that time Fellows lunched at a table down the side of the hall with another for B.A.'s; we were encouraged to go and eat with the undergraduates; remember Noel chiding me for not doing so; I told him I was shy; Donald Beves and I both came from Staffordshire though my father came from Norfolk and Derbyshire; Beves always used to serve gin and tonic in Regency bumpers; Beves a close friend of Pop Prior, widow of the Professor of French, who had the privilege of using his wine account; she lived in a house in Scoop Terrace where she gave marvellous parties, where she had rather aristocratic Danish female lodgers; she and Donald invented the madrigal singing on the river; we used to watch it from his room which was in Bodley's Court; Donald had a large suite, a man of great hospitality, lovable, loving and decent; the camaraderie I remember seems more or less to have disappeared
17:53:16 Dadie was a great fried whom I had known before coming here; remember when his friend Anthony Blunt was exposed as a double-agent he aged ten years; I never actually saw him act but did see actors that he trained; he always celebrated my birthday with champagne; Jasper Rose was rather unconventional; as a sixth-form boy had been taken by a friend of his father's to dinner at All Souls where they sat next to A.L. Rouse; Rouse's snobbery; Hugh Trevor-Roper and his effect on Peterhouse; Maurice Cowling; Steven Runciman; Jack Plumb; Princess Margaret and the Batesons; responsibility for the College silver
34:59:05 I am very religious; interested in the dignity of the Anglican service; converted to Catholicism in Baghdad, but go to Chapel now; remember a terrible row with Couve de Murville when he was Presbyter, Catholic Chaplain to the University, who said I had no right to go there; asked Monsignor Gilbey when I first came to King's if it would be all right if I went to Chapel; reminiscences of characters in Cambridge; John Saltmarsh, as Vice-Provost would bring every College staff appointee to meet the Fellows; not done now; Christopher Morris and wife, Helen, used to entertain Fellows and students to supper every Sunday; John Saltmarsh; George Salt; Arthur Hibbert; Christopher Morris; Richard Braithwaite; Morgan Forster; Francis Crick; Dan Brown, Hal Dixon and Kendall Dixon
55:11:00 Sufism is a very great influence in my life; the medieval Persian poetry that I specialize in is Sufi; Sufism with its tolerance and accent above the material could be one of the last hopes of a religious synthesis that would help us to a better life; its essence is love which there seems to be very little of nowadays; chief concern today is with materialism and sex not leavened by love; Sufism rises above this; an important repository of religious aspiration and hope; never been tempted to convert; it is part of Islam but tries to introduce something that is lacking in Semitic religion which is arid, legalistic; theology in Islam doesn't exist, it is law; Sufism is the ameliorative factor; reactionary Muslim regimes are against Sufism; the present regime in Iran has arrested several Sufi leaders and broken up Sufi gatherings, a pattern with any totalitarian-type regime; very attracted by the mysticism of Sufism; is a religious reaction to a cruel world so appropriate that people should be turning to it; it flourished after the Mongol invasion of North-East Iran, an appalling destruction; it was the Sufis who started to revive life; we live in times where these horrible events can be understood in terms of what is happening today.
[It had been intended to continue talking on another occasion but sadly Peter Avery died on 6th October 2008 without it being possible to find the time to do so.]
17:53:16 Dadie was a great fried whom I had known before coming here; remember when his friend Anthony Blunt was exposed as a double-agent he aged ten years; I never actually saw him act but did see actors that he trained; he always celebrated my birthday with champagne; Jasper Rose was rather unconventional; as a sixth-form boy had been taken by a friend of his father's to dinner at All Souls where they sat next to A.L. Rouse; Rouse's snobbery; Hugh Trevor-Roper and his effect on Peterhouse; Maurice Cowling; Steven Runciman; Jack Plumb; Princess Margaret and the Batesons; responsibility for the College silver
34:59:05 I am very religious; interested in the dignity of the Anglican service; converted to Catholicism in Baghdad, but go to Chapel now; remember a terrible row with Couve de Murville when he was Presbyter, Catholic Chaplain to the University, who said I had no right to go there; asked Monsignor Gilbey when I first came to King's if it would be all right if I went to Chapel; reminiscences of characters in Cambridge; John Saltmarsh, as Vice-Provost would bring every College staff appointee to meet the Fellows; not done now; Christopher Morris and wife, Helen, used to entertain Fellows and students to supper every Sunday; John Saltmarsh; George Salt; Arthur Hibbert; Christopher Morris; Richard Braithwaite; Morgan Forster; Francis Crick; Dan Brown, Hal Dixon and Kendall Dixon
55:11:00 Sufism is a very great influence in my life; the medieval Persian poetry that I specialize in is Sufi; Sufism with its tolerance and accent above the material could be one of the last hopes of a religious synthesis that would help us to a better life; its essence is love which there seems to be very little of nowadays; chief concern today is with materialism and sex not leavened by love; Sufism rises above this; an important repository of religious aspiration and hope; never been tempted to convert; it is part of Islam but tries to introduce something that is lacking in Semitic religion which is arid, legalistic; theology in Islam doesn't exist, it is law; Sufism is the ameliorative factor; reactionary Muslim regimes are against Sufism; the present regime in Iran has arrested several Sufi leaders and broken up Sufi gatherings, a pattern with any totalitarian-type regime; very attracted by the mysticism of Sufism; is a religious reaction to a cruel world so appropriate that people should be turning to it; it flourished after the Mongol invasion of North-East Iran, an appalling destruction; it was the Sufis who started to revive life; we live in times where these horrible events can be understood in terms of what is happening today.
[It had been intended to continue talking on another occasion but sadly Peter Avery died on 6th October 2008 without it being possible to find the time to do so.]
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